Warby Parker’s co-CEOs explain how they manage their successful partnership

However earlier than her dialog with Gilboa and Blumenthal begins, Lev-Ram takes a couple of minutes to introduce the podcast’s subsequent host, Diane Brady. A longtime enterprise journalist, Brady is the senior editorial director of the Fortune CEO Initiative and the chief director of Fortune Stay Media.

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Diane Brady: Management Subsequent is powered by the oldsters at Deloitte who, like me, are exploring the altering roles of enterprise management and the way CEOs are navigating this transformation.

Michal Lev-Ram: Welcome to Management Subsequent, the podcast in regards to the altering guidelines of enterprise management. I’m Michal Lev-Ram.

Brady: And I’m Diane Brady.

Lev-Ram: I’m very excited to say that Diane goes to be taking up Management Subsequent in a couple of weeks. So welcome, Diane.

Brady: Thanks, Michal. It’s a pleasure to work with you and you might be an especially arduous act to comply with as properly.

Lev-Ram: I believed it might be a superb alternative so that you can come and introduce your self and inform us, what do we have to find out about you?

Brady: Effectively, I’m new to Fortune. I’m the chief editorial director of the Fortune CEO Initiative and Fortune Stay Media. However I’ve been a journalist my entire life, Michal, because the age of 15, and the best pleasure is interviewing folks. So I’ve interviewed a whole lot of leaders, a whole lot of newsmakers, and it’s very thrilling to me to have this unbelievable platform that you simply and Alan have each performed a terrific job with.

Lev-Ram: Effectively, I’m tremendous excited to hearken to future episodes and listen to you proceed to ask inquiries to among the world’s most impactful leaders. So, talking of which, our visitors at the moment are the 2 co-founders and co-CEOs of Warby Parker, Dave Gilboa and Neil Blumenthal.

Brady: I wish to interject with one fast factor. I’ve at all times been fascinated with co-CEOs as a result of to me, management, it’s typically like Highlander, there may be just one. And I’ve vivid reminiscences of the Analysis in Movement [now called BlackBerry] guys, Jim Balsillie and Mike Lazaridis, who have been co-CEOs, speaking to them saying, How do you divide your duties? [They were] like, Yeah, no matter he doesn’t wish to take, I take. And I feel we all know what occurred to BlackBerry and but Warby Parker, they’re nonetheless at it.

Lev-Ram: We undoubtedly addressed it and I agree with you. You already know, usually that we’ve seen within the company world, the co-CEO mannequin has not labored. SAP used to do that as properly. Not.

Brady: Oracle.

Lev-Ram: Yeah. And a whole lot of them find yourself sort of strolling away from that mannequin. So, you recognize, it really works for Warby Parker. So folks must maintain listening to listen to why. However just a bit bit extra on the corporate. I do know everyone’s acquainted with the model at the moment, however this began as a enterprise college undertaking. These guys have two different co-founders. They have been simply fed up with what they are saying have been overpriced glasses they usually tried to modernize by reducing out the standard intermediary within the course of. And by doing so, they’re in a position to supply glasses for round $100, which is an enormous financial savings for lots of people. Though this enterprise began as a purely on-line play, they now have some 250 retail shops and rising. And so this, what began as a tiny startup and a web-based solely play has in some methods turn into just like the incumbents at the moment. So, with out additional ado, right here is our dialog with Dave and Neil.

[Interview begins.]

Thanks a lot, each of you, for becoming a member of us. This can be a deal with. I wish to begin by asking you just a bit bit in regards to the evolution of Warby Parker. It began primarily as a web-based retailer and you’ve got, I perceive it, 250 shops now, 250 areas. Neil, I’m going to start out with you and get each of you to chime in on this, however clarify the technique and the way it’s advanced over time.

Neil Blumenthal: Certain. So Dave and I and our two co-founders, Jeff [Raider] and Andy [Hunt], we began Warby Parker again in 2010. We have been all full-time MBA college students at Wharton and have been annoyed by how costly glasses have been and the truth that the buying expertise was fairly subpar too, to be frank. And we thought that we may launch a model that had huge influence, that may very well be beloved, and that would promote glasses for a fraction of the price. And we thought that one of the simplest ways to do this was to launch an internet site and promote on to customers on-line. Again in 2010, this was a interval the place a whole lot of ecommerce was simply getting began. Individuals began to promote engagement rings and sneakers by means of like Zappos and Blue Nile, classes we take without any consideration which are offered on-line. However again then it was very novel. We thought folks have been going to make some huge cash promoting glasses on-line. Why couldn’t or not it’s us?

And so we launched the corporate. We bought featured in Vogue and GQ. The corporate took off like a rocket ship. We hit our first-year gross sales targets in two weeks, offered out of our prime 15 kinds in 4 weeks, had a waitlist of 1000’s of consumers. And one of many issues that we had was this residence try-on program the place we shipped folks 5 pairs of glasses [and] they’d 5 days to strive it on at residence. Effectively, inside 48 hours we ran out of stock for that residence try-on program. So folks begin calling up and saying, Hey, can we are available in to your workplace to strive on glasses? And we weren’t figuring out of an workplace as a result of we actually had simply began the corporate. We have been figuring out of our flats. We invited some folks to come back in. We laid the glasses on the eating room desk. We moved a mirror shut by. We had Dave’s laptop computer out so folks may take a look at utilizing our web site, and we offered a bunch of glasses out of our house.

After which we after we moved into an workplace, we put aside a portion to it to be a showroom. Abruptly we have been promoting $3 million value of glasses out of our workplace and we’re like, Oh, perhaps we should always open a retailer. We opened a pop-up retailer. That did tremendous properly. We opened a everlasting retailer. That did tremendous properly. Abruptly we have been like, Oh, perhaps we should always open a couple of of those, perhaps in key cities, and that can assist increase consciousness, construct the model, assist develop the ecommerce enterprise. Abruptly we had 25 shops. The shops saved doing extremely properly and we simply saved opening and opening and now we now have 250 shops throughout the U.S. and Canada.

Lev-Ram: Loopy. Dave, do you miss these days otherwise you do get nostalgic speaking in regards to the early days?

Dave Gilboa: Yeah, these early days have been extremely thrilling, scary. It’s sort of the, each day had a curler coaster of feelings, however there was this actually thrilling, frenetic power. And we knew that we had the chance to create one thing actually particular and to get that early validation and suggestions from prospects who have been actually excited by what we have been constructing was very encouraging. And I keep in mind falling asleep each night time with a laptop computer on my chest, simply responding to buyer emails, attempting to course of orders, attempting to only sort of sustain with quantity. And having our wives or a girlfriend on the time, our cousins, brothers and sisters, anybody that had a free second to assist us sustain with demand and attempt to serve these early prospects that have been actually taking a wager on us as a model new firm and a model new model. And yeah, we most likely get somewhat extra sleep lately, but it surely was, yeah, a very exhilarating technique to sort of launch an organization.

Lev-Ram: I can solely think about and this was undoubtedly a model that simply sort of appeared to come back out of nowhere and completely simply explode. So I can solely think about what it was like on the within. But it surely seems like this type of hybrid technique of each on-line and brick and mortar was sort of baked in from the start, however advanced over time, proper?

Blumenthal: Completely. The essential premise was that glasses shouldn’t value 4 or $500. So we thought that by promoting on to prospects, we may reduce out the intermediary. So proper, sometimes an optical store or an optometric apply, proper, is shopping for frames and lenses wholesale after which marking them up three to 5 instances. So we thought if we designed the frames we liked, we produced them, after which offered them on to prospects, that’s only one much less hand within the cookie jar. And we may promote the identical high quality however at a fraction of the value. So, $95 as an alternative of $400 or $500 and that clearly type of actually resonated. And we at all times sort of used ourselves as a litmus take a look at as, Hey, is that this what we might need as customers? And that was type of the guideline in constructing the enterprise.

Lev-Ram: Sure. And I ought to be aware that you’re each sporting glasses. So clearly, each nonetheless prospects.

Blumenthal: Completely.

Lev-Ram: So, do you contemplate your self, do you contemplate Warby Parker a low-cost model? How did you consider it and of the messaging from the get-go?

Gilboa: Sure, we’ve at all times considered ourselves as a way of life model that stands for enjoyable, creativity and doing good on this planet. And we wished to got down to design merchandise that we might wish to put on as customers however supply a good worth level and handy buying expertise whether or not that was on-line or offline and provides prospects alternative. And [we] discovered that it’s a class that most individuals want, so a majority of Individuals want glasses, but it surely’s a product that traditionally hasn’t had a lot transparency round it. The overwhelming majority of glasses are offered on the identical place that somebody will get a watch examination, the place a affected person will get an examination after which they’re compelled to exit by means of the present store. And there’s a whole lot of handholding across the buy course of for glasses. They sometimes don’t have costs on them. Clients are type of upsold on totally different lenses and coatings. They don’t actually know what they’re shopping for and swiftly they’ve a invoice for $500 or $600. And we expect that glasses, they clearly have to serve a well being want, however we expect that they need to be an awesome trend accent as properly. It’s one of many solely issues that folks put on on their face. And our thesis was that when you may dramatically deliver down the value of glasses and make the buying expertise enjoyable, that folks may consider glasses the identical method that they consider different client merchandise like sneakers or purses and use glasses as a type of self-expression. And so we actually got down to interact our prospects differently than the remainder of the class and actually thought from first ideas round how we may serve customers in higher methods than they have been being served with current choices.

Lev-Ram: And Neil, what different insights did you guys have earlier on, on creating such as you stated a way of life model? So there’s the price piece, which clearly was very, very enticing to customers, particularly as a result of this was simply an business ripe for disruption, given all the things you guys stated and sort of the opaque nature of among the economics and the necessity for disintermediation right here. However on the subject of creating like a model round it, and I do know it was a whole lot of phrase of mouth initially, did you begin out with some insights of tips on how to assist construct that?

Blumenthal: Yeah, you recognize, constructing a model is tremendous time consuming, proper? Particularly an genuine model, an genuine model must have a whole lot of particulars related to it as a result of within the age of the web, you may’t cover, and individuals are curious they usually ask why, why, why? So that you want a cause for all the things that you simply do. So we spent a whole lot of time type of pondering by means of what’s it that we’re attempting to perform? What’s our imaginative and prescient and mission? How are we going to realize that? What are our values? What’s our type of voice? What will we, what will we wish to convey to the world visually? How would we symbolize ourselves? And, proper, the best way that you simply do that’s you sit in a room and also you begin doing totally different workouts. If we have been a automotive model, what model of vehicles we might be? If we have been a denim model, what denim model would we be? And type of speaking that by means of. What are adjectives that describe who we’re? These are what led to type of a slightly sturdy model structure and that then enabled us to type of give you a correct visible identification.

After which a reputation. Naming is definitely one of many hardest issues that we did. We really got here up with 2,000 totally different names. However one of many issues that we type of went by means of in crafting a model structure is there’s a literary heritage to Warby Parker, as a result of there’s the tie between imaginative and prescient and glasses and studying and writing, proper? What do you consider whenever you see anyone sporting glasses? Proper? It’s typically that stereotype of, proper, anyone studying or writing or anyone with a ebook. We have been very impressed by the eyewear that our grandparents wore within the forties and fifties. That impressed our first assortment. We have been impressed by the social ethos of our dad and mom who got here of age within the sixties and have been influenced by the Beat Technology writers like Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac. So in the future whereas we have been engaged on our model structure, Dave occurred to enter the New York Public Library, the primary department on forty second Road and Fifth Avenue in New York, and there was an exhibit on Kerouac. And so they had all these unpublished journals of his, and there are these two characters, Warby Pepper and Zagg Parker. There was like a light-weight bulb went off that these are type of like fascinating names that, you recognize, may encapsulate what it’s that we’re attempting to do.

Lev-Ram: Neil and Dave was not a runner up?

[Laughter.]

No? So do you guys keep in mind and may you share, not all, however simply perhaps a couple of of the two,000 names that didn’t make the reduce?

Gilboa: Yeah, we regularly joke, however there’s a whole lot of reality to it that sort of discovering a reputation that all of us like, between the 4 founders, was the toughest factor about beginning a enterprise. It took us about six months, went by means of 2,000 names, together with entire classes of mythological creatures from totally different cultures to, you recognize, several types of animals, and I keep in mind, yeah, we sort of went down a rabbit gap and sort of, a bunch of various dolphins at one level. I’m Swedish and there’s a phrase, lagom, that doesn’t have a direct translation to English however sort of means not too huge or not too small. It’s sort of excellent. It’s sort of, we talked about that idea for some time, however yeah, nothing sort of landed till we got here throughout these Jack Kerouac journals after which it was a fairly fast determination from there and the URL was additionally accessible for $10 which was…

Lev-Ram: That at all times helps.

Gilboa: A pleasant plus.

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Lev-Ram: I’m curious to listen to, one of many different stuff you guys actually innovated on is the tech aspect, clearly, and simply wish to know extra about what your technique or strategy has been there. Like how have you ever determined over time that is what we’re going to construct, that is what we’re going to purchase or companion on, like on the subject of level of sale or at residence testing, on-line testing the app like simply numerous issues? What’s been your strategy?

Blumenthal: Yeah, so after we have been really engaged on the model structure, we thought loads about what sort of firm are we constructing and what communities are we a part of? And we thought we have been type of a part of the type of trend design retail world, proper? We have been making trend product and accent eyewear. We thought that we have been a part of the well being care world as a result of eyewear can be a well being product, proper? It lets you see. You want a prescription to get eyewear, prescription glasses. And we thought we have been a part of the type of tech sector as a result of we have been going to make use of expertise to only make the method of shopping for glasses as simple as doable, proper? Primarily promoting them on-line so you would purchase them from the consolation of your own home. We additionally, from day one, had dedicated to offering a pair of glasses to somebody in want for each pair that we offered by means of our buy-a-pair-give-a-pair program. So, we additionally considered that we have been a part of the social enterprise world.

From type of contemplating ourselves as a tech firm was at all times, Hey, is there expertise that we will construct or purchase that can make type of the buying expertise higher? And what we discovered was that always after we would construct stuff ourselves, we might do it higher, sooner, cheaper. Now, you recognize, quick ahead 10-plus years later, you recognize, a few of our pondering has advanced and we usually, after we’re making capital allocation selections, construct verse purchase, it’s, hey, is there one thing on the market that already exists? And you recognize, which is cheaper, both shopping for or constructing and is that this really differentiated? So we constructed our entire ERP from scratch, our e-commerce platform, from scratch. Now, Shopify wasn’t actually accessible again then and we had some complexities in our enterprise. We take prescriptions. Each order is customized. We’ve this residence try-on program. So we needed to construct our platform from scratch. Equally, after we began opening up shops, there actually weren’t any nice level of gross sales that would assist us serve prospects the best way that we wished to, to be sure that all of their info was accessible on the gross sales associates arms, in order that method they may have an awesome expertise. So we constructed that utterly from scratch. Once we have been type of wanting out there to assist folks discover the fitting pair of glasses on-line, proper, there was no good digital try-on and so we constructed the primary true-to-scale digital try-on to allow folks to see themselves sporting a pair of glasses after which shopping for them. In truth, after we type of examined out what expertise was accessible, you needed to maintain a bank card to your face with a view to get a reference level to place glasses on. It was a very cumbersome expertise. Individuals really didn’t look nice with these like digital type of V1 variations of glasses so it harm conversion. So after we take into consideration after we’re going to deploy capital to type of construct these instruments, it actually comes from a buyer want. So there was a buyer have to strive on glasses on-line. There was a buyer want to simply renew their prescription so we developed our digital imaginative and prescient take a look at that enabled folks to obtain an app and do a easy imaginative and prescient take a look at from their residence.

Lev-Ram: Wow. So have you ever employed builders, engineers sort of from the get-go? And has that grown over time?

Gilboa: Yeah. One of the highly effective points of our enterprise mannequin being direct-to-consumer is we get a lot information and a lot suggestions from our prospects the place we will perceive the place we’re actually exceeding their expectations and serving them extremely properly, and the place there’s friction within the buyer journey and within the course of. And, then we take into consideration, okay, we’re, you recognize, listening to frustration from sure prospects. And that always traditionally has come from providers that we haven’t provided. So after we launched promoting glasses on-line and didn’t have a method for folks to replace their prescriptions, we heard that from our prospects that they liked the Warby Parker expertise however what was actually irritating is having to make an appointment to see a watch physician, even when they knew that they may see completely properly out of their current pair of glasses and after we sort of hear that constantly, it causes us to assume, you recognize, are there ways in which we can assist resolve that for purchasers? And over time we’ve solved that exact downside in a few methods. One, we’ve opened shops and employed medical doctors which are conveniently situated. However we are also at all times asking ourselves, is there expertise that may assist resolve this downside in environment friendly methods? And if you concentrate on what a watch examination is, a refraction visible acuity take a look at, you stroll right into a room the place there’s a chair that may be a mounted distance away from a display screen. Letters are displayed on that display screen and also you sort of point out what you may see properly and what you may’t. We stated, Effectively, everybody has a display screen of their pocket. If we will ask folks to sort of place that display screen someplace and decide the precise distance and inform them precisely the place to face and show letters on that display screen and ask them to sort of learn out what they will see properly and what they will’t and ship these outcomes to a physician, they will evaluate these outcomes and write a prescription remotely. And in order that was sort of an perception that enabled us to consider a very new method for purchasers and sufferers to unravel issues. And over time, we’ve constructed a really succesful in-house expertise crew, starting from product managers to engineers to laptop imaginative and prescient PhDs that we will deploy to enhance the client expertise, to unravel buyer issues, to construct novel expertise that won’t exist but. And, along with that, combine current software program instruments that could be accessible. And more and more we’re focusing our inner assets on actual innovation that’s core to our buyer expertise after which working with quite a lot of different software program platforms that may resolve enterprise wants that aren’t distinctive to us at Warby Parker.

Lev-Ram: In order somebody who has been doing these imaginative and prescient checks that you simply simply described since actually earlier than I may learn, have performed many, a lot of them, the thought of doing this on-line and at house is superb. However I wish to ask you about identical to how good have these gotten? And I do know that in some states there have been points, like in Kentucky the place there was some sort of a settlement. What’s that about? And inform us about simply the state of how good that expertise is and what’s nonetheless missing.

Blumenthal: One of many issues that you simply discover with breakthrough expertise is that there are those who embrace it and at instances those who really feel threatened by it. And we now have discovered that in sure jurisdictions and sure states, there have been teams which have moved to restrict telehealth and telemedicine that’s confirmed to be secure and simply extra handy for sufferers or prospects, however perhaps not within the monetary pursuits of some incumbents. So, one of many issues that attracted us to this business was simply the way it operated and the truth that there was frankly, it was flush with alternative. And when you have a look at the sphere of optometry, specifically, a lot of the earnings comes by means of the sale of glasses. And when you have a look at the optical business, 80% of individuals purchase glasses the place they’ve their eye examination. And what prospects would describe to us goes to get a watch examination after which exiting by means of the present store, proper, after which spending a whole lot of {dollars} for a pair of glasses. So the concept that somebody would possibly be capable of extra simply get a prescription after which be capable of store for that anyplace is kind of threatening to numerous of us. So there was resistance in sure areas the place the assumption that expertise can assist deliver down prices, can enhance entry, can simply make, frankly, most type of industries, together with these inside well being care, extra aggressive and result in higher outcomes for customers and sufferers alike.

So we’ve sort of been considered as a disruptor. You already know, now I feel folks have a look at us they usually would possibly view as extra as like an incumbent. And definitely we now have numerous shops. We now promote contact lenses. We now have a whole lot of medical doctors on our crew. And we most likely look somewhat bit extra just like the business, besides a lot lower cost and higher buyer experiences. And simply with scale that permits us to have extra flexibility and supply extra choices to our prospects and to proceed to spend money on type of groundbreaking applied sciences.

Lev-Ram: I wish to ask you guys simply a few questions right here on management and the truth that you’re co-CEOs, which hasn’t labored for some firms which have tried it, continues to be a comparatively uncommon construction. I imply, we see it somewhat bit increasingly right here and there, however what do you assume it’s about your partnership that’s made it work and the way do you sort of divide and conquer? Let’s see who solutions it first.

Gilboa: I may begin, however please be happy to chime in. Yeah, so we’ve had a co-CEO construction actually since we launched the corporate. Even going again in time earlier than that, whereas we have been at school and sort of constructing the inspiration that led to Warby Parker, there have been 4 of us. We began off as shut buddies in school and we bought actually enthusiastic about this concept and we have been all concerned sort of as equal companions. We didn’t have titles, we didn’t have hierarchy between us, after which after we graduated from enterprise college determined that it sort of made essentially the most sense for me and Neil to remain on in day-to-day working roles. And we thought, we talked about sort of totally different ways in which we may arrange buildings and we knew that it’s uncommon to have co-leadership in most startups however we had been working as companions for a yr and a half earlier than we launched the enterprise and earlier than we graduated from enterprise college, and that had been working rather well. And we stated why don’t we proceed working on this method till there are indicators that it doesn’t work or that it’s irritating for one or each of us. And let’s have titles that mirror that management construction, each for inner and exterior causes, however let’s be sure that there’s no confusion for our inner crew round who’s main sure areas and sort of spending extra time in these areas so if a choice must be made, we don’t have the difficulty the place if mother says no, somebody goes and asks dad and simply present some readability when it comes to organizational design.

And so every of us have our personal direct experiences and spend extra time with totally different components of the group. However we each really feel accountable and accountable for the model, the enterprise outcomes, the influence that we’re having. And we replace one another dozens of instances a day about conferences that one in every of us might not have been in. So we’re each absolutely knowledgeable round all the things that’s occurring within the enterprise. And often we’ll additionally be part of one another’s conferences with the opposite individual’s direct experiences in order that we may be offering enter. And if one in every of us is at a convention or visiting shops or on trip, the opposite individual can leap in and we will substitute for each other when wanted. And so actually sort of view ourselves as companions.

Lev-Ram: Only a couple extra questions for you guys actual fast. One is it’s actually placing, you each undoubtedly have such a watch for element as you’ve gone about founding and scaling the corporate for the model, for the naming, for clearly among the mechanics, the logistics of design and provide chain and issues that you simply’ve needed to actually assume from the bottom up since you disrupted this business. And also you see a whole lot of tech firms, and I perceive tech is a element of what you do, who’ve been extra inclined to throw spaghetti on the wall. Do you assume that this degree of element that the 2 of you will have had, the 4 of you, I assume, firstly is one thing that’s actually wanted for the sort of firm you began, or do you assume it’s identical to the fitting strategy?

Blumenthal: I feel there’s totally different tolerances in several industries, and it relies upon additionally on who you’re serving. So once I say industries, when you’re doing one thing for aerospace or for well being care, proper, the margin of error is loads smaller than if it’s one thing that doesn’t influence type of life and demise, for instance. And that type of holds true type of with branding and enterprise technique in moments the place capital is de facto low cost, you may expend it, throw a whole lot of stuff on the wall and see what sticks. And I feel we have been in a second of that within the 2010s. You already know, now because the pandemic, rates of interest have gone up, I feel you’ve seen that mentality type of dissipate even within the tech sector as properly, the place there’s somewhat extra controls in place earlier than you simply throw spaghetti on the wall. You already know, we being type of a consumer-led enterprise and one which’s participating with prospects continually, stuff must be nice. And we’re at all times chatting with our crew about how will we ship distinctive buyer providers, distinctive buyer experiences, distinctive buyer worth, distinctive buyer merchandise. And that doesn’t imply that we will’t take a look at and iterate, but it surely signifies that after we take dangers they need to be calculated.

Lev-Ram: So final crucial query for the 2 of you. What was up with the monocle that Warby Parker offered? [Laughter.] The place did the thought come from? Was it an actual pattern? Did they promote? You’re not promoting them anymore, proper?

Gilboa: Yeah, we don’t supply them anymore.

Lev-Ram: For some prospects. You must ask within the again or one thing, proper?

Blumenthal: We would nonetheless have a couple of.

Gilboa: We will discover you one when you really need one. Once we launched, we thought it’d be sort of a enjoyable, whimsical alternative to supply a monocle. We weren’t anticipating it to be a prime vendor. I feel we offered much more than we have been anticipating. Typically round Halloween, we noticed a large spike in demand, but it surely was only a enjoyable alternative to sort of showcase among the values of the model and signify that we weren’t taking ourselves too severely with the best way that we interact with our prospects.

Lev-Ram: Did both of you ever rock one or no?

Blumenthal: Dave is definitely the top-of-the-line monocle wearers doable and that he was in a position to maintain it in his eye with out his arms for fairly a protracted time frame.

Gilboa: Surprisingly troublesome.

Lev-Ram: Superb. Effectively, Neil, Dave, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us and taking time to do that interview. Admire it.

Blumenthal: Thanks.

Gilboa: Thanks a lot.

Brady: Management Subsequent is edited by Nicole Vergalla.

Lev-Ram: Our govt producer is Chris Joslin.

Brady: Our producer is Mason Cohn.

Lev-Ram: Our theme is by Jason Snell.

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